Mackem here (In a spirit of hostility and aggression!)

[magpie4ever99]

Guys as Mark had suggested in one of the previous threads we are not supposed to entertain the Mackems...

Just report his name and the mods will do their job...

[Mackem1973]

Guys as Mark had suggested in one of the previous threads we are not supposed to entertain the Mackems...

Just report his name and the mods will do their job...

I've been here about 10 minutes and I'm trying to talk football.

[magpie4ever99]

Guys as Mark had suggested in one of the previous threads we are not supposed to entertain the Mackems...

Just report his name and the mods will do their job...

I've been here about 10 minutes and I'm trying to talk football.

Mackem show some class, leave us alone and go to your own forum.

We really dont need you here.

And we'd like to talk football with our fellow supporters...

[Gustoon]

It seems a shame to lock/move/delete this thread. The OP hasn't actually done or said anything wrong. Whilst I don't agree with some of the OPs first comments , he does have some valid points.
If you don't want this thread to carry on , just don't respond and it will sink faster than....well our form this season

[magpie4ever99]

Okay Gustoon.

Judging by the sh!7 we've had over this forum post relegation, Mackem1973 is a bit more well-behaved.

[Phoenix]

Guys as Mark had suggested in one of the previous threads we are not supposed to entertain the Mackems...

Just report his name and the mods will do their job...

I've been here about 10 minutes and I'm trying to talk football.

Mackem show some class, leave us alone and go to your own forum.

We really dont need you here.

And we'd like to talk football with our fellow supporters...

I think that there have been a number of sensible replies to the O.P. which have, obviously, been from people who enjoy friendly, objective, banter and are capable of entering a debate.

It would seem, though, that you have disbarred yourself on both counts.

Sad, really!

[funlovingexpress]

How much experience did keene have? Whose model are we supposed to be following again?

[observer]

First of all

Second of all; down to serious business. Where do you lot go from here? I think you have 2 options. One is to look at the names you have in your squad and consider the fact they really ought to win promotion next season; so keep them together as much as possible and hope to come back up. The obvious con here is if you dont go up - then financially you could do a Leeds, Southampton, Charlton, N.Forest, Sheff Wed et al. Whilst this option could work - it could mean League 1 football in a matter of years if you dont bounce back first time. On your current wage budget you may be able to afford 1 year of CCC football; but 2 years? 3 years? No chance.

Your second option is to follow the Sunderland model of bouncing back - have a fire sale for all your players; and whoevers left over stick them in with seaoned CCC campaigners, lower league talent and young lads - operating on a sustainable vastly reduced budget (still larger than peer clubs because of your higher crowds) and, after stabilising the club, winning promotion. In the long run, if you stabilise in the CCC; you will bounce back. But it might be a 2, 3, 4 or even 5 year project. On such a reduced budget you could sustain CCC football for that amount of time if required.

Do your fans have the intelligence or the patience for the latter?

First of all you need a manager. One with proven experience; no room for sentimental "messiahs" (Keegan and Shearer didnt do much good) you need a proven manager at both CCC and Premier League level - someone like Coppell, Cotterrill or Boothroyd. Ironically Dennis Wise ticks more boxes than Shearer after he turned financially stricken Leeds United around a couple of years ago.

You really need someone who knows the lower leagues, knows how to operate on a reduced, uncertain wage / transfer budget and someone who knows how to put together a good side outside the Prem.

All this talk of "messiahs" and wanting people who "understand" your club is deeply flawed - successive chairman have listened to the whims of your myopic supporters and followed policies to keep them happy short term. The signing of Michael Owen is a perfect case in point. It hasn't worked.

Of course I have black and white friends and I respect NUFC as an institution and most of my friends are intelligent people - but as an overall group you have got to be the stupidest, most short sighted supporters in the country. I'm sorry - but everytime I switch Sky on to hear one of your lot interviewed, whenever I see these demonstrations outside St James', whenever I see mis-spelled banners and see a group of teenagers telling Sam Allardyce "you dont know what you're doing" I have a little roll of my eyes.

Ashley is under pressure; but the majority of his strategic decisions have been made after pressure from NUFC fans and with the approval of NUFC fans. Sacking Allardyce (looked ridiculous at the time - but was met with widespread approval), appointing Keegan, offering to sell the club and bringing in Shearer. His only decision that provoked criticism was bringing in Kinnear - your most successful manager in the last 2 years!

Therefore I'd like to see your supporters ignored for a couple of years. Bring in a dour, small name manager - who follows the pragmatic Sunderland model of bouncing back. That is selling the players who won't battle in that league and who cost the club money - I'd like to think NUFC would show the door to Viduka, Owen, Collocini, Barton (scum) and Bassong will probably leave anyway. Maybe some others would ask to leave. Then bring in a couple of hungry players on free transfers and make Carroll a first choice forward.

If you can stabilise your finances then even if you fail first time, you will succeed the second, third or fourth time.

By appointing Shearer and doing things for the short term based on sentiment and emotion - you could find yourselves digging yourselves deeper, deeper and deeper.

The season we went down we had Tore Andre Flo, Claudio Reyna, Gavin McCann, Kevin Phillips, Marcus Stewart, Joachim Bjorklund, Mart Poom, Thomas Sorenson, Michael Gray, Julio Arca and Stefan Schwarz. Quality players on top wages; who let us down. A few months later these names were gone and, under a dour Yorkshireman, we had Thirlwell, Oster, Thornton and Arca as our midfield at Bradford City. We won 4-0. I think you could do worse than follow our example in order to get out of that horrible, horrible league! It might not be pretty; but you lot have got to start taking a long term look at things; and making strategic decisions from the head, not the heart.

Anyway

good posting

[Shamrock]

It's hilarious. Sunderlsnd fans turning up giving it the high ground the second we fail to clear a hurdle.

Reality check. Yes we are in a mess. Yes we are in the Championship. Yes Sunderland are above us in the great scheme of things at this point in time.

How long will it last? How many of the past 16 seasons have Sunderland been in the Prem? When was the last time Sunderland were in the Uefa Cup, never mind the Champion's League? When was the last time Sunderland made an FA Cup Final? How close were they to being in our shoes this season? When was the last time Sunderland had an England international playing in their side in their prime? Or an England Captain? Or a regular 15 goal a season striker? When will Sunderland find 50,000+ fans in their ground?

Are Sunderland smaller than us? You be the judge, I bet we'll be back in Europe before you lot even get close to it.

[MunsterMag]

Well said Shamrock, we can always rely on a man with some Irish in him to take up the fight.

Mackem, I have to say I am laughing at your arrogance.

Until Derby came along, you were the worst lot ever in the prem league.

You will never play in a serious game in Milan.
You survived this season by the skin of your teeth, and you have the cheek to advise us ?
You have no european form. Whatsoever.
Your town is a dump, although Boro is worse, so well done for that.
Well done on getting a degree, and i appreciate some of the points you make, but Sunderland aint exactly Liverpool mate. More like Hull, with a better history, if not by a lot.

If you were a tad less arrogant I'd give you more credit, but your season gives you little reason to brag.
Not in the greater scheme of things anyway.

[Shamrock]

Nice One Munster (although Connaught, is clearly the place to be!)Granted we cant play Rugby, and Galway are not too cleaver at hurling or GAA either but Connemara is cracking. I do miss it sometimes...

Back to Sunderland and it's fans, all I can say to any Sunderland supporter is 'RATHER YOU THAN ME MATE'.

[Mackem1973]

How much experience did keene have? Whose model are we supposed to be following again?

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Good point; but I was talking about when Sunderland bounced back in 2005. The Roy Keane promotion wasn't a model to follow - we basically through millions of pounds at the problem and it worked! Just.

I wouldnt recommend it to you now

[Mackem1973]

Mackem, I have to say I am laughing at your arrogance.

Well to be honest I am laughing at that statement. You accuse me of arrogance and then you make the below tirade! You're chringeworthy, and you rightly fall into the bracket of "crikey, I hope you're under 20 years old!"

I didnt say anything against Newcastle; I even claimed to have lived there, I love the city, have Newcastle Utd supporting friends and respect the club. I don't see how you could really construe what I said as arrogant; although I certainly believe the below rant is.

Never mind I'll try and respond.

Until Derby came along, you were the worst lot ever in the prem league.

True. And at that time we got quite a bit of grief.

You will never play in a serious game in Milan.

You never know; we could qualify for the Europa League.

You survived this season by the skin of your teeth, and you have the cheek to advise us ? ]

Well.....you do realise I'm not in any kind of authority at Sunderland AFC dont you? I'm not Ricky Sbragia you know!

You have no european form. Whatsoever.

I think you already touched on this with your Milan comment! But we did play Sporting Lisbon and Vasas Budapest in the Cup Winners Cup in the 70s; oh and in the 80s we played some Belgian side in the UEFA Cup (according to Auf Weidersehen Pet )

Your town is a dump, although Boro is worse, so well done for that.]

Um Cheers, I am comfortable drinking and enjoying myself in both Sunderland and Newcastle. I think Newcastle is a very nice city and I am proud to come from the North East; I live in Ireland myself, but I still see the North East as my real home and real identity. Is that OK with you "Munster Mag" and "Shamrock"?

If you were a tad less arrogant I'd give you more credit, but your season gives you little reason to brag. ]

What did I say what was arrogant? When did I brag about Sunderland? I was talking football, having a bit of craic and I only had 2 smilies to have a bit of a laugh at your expense! If I recall correctly you brought out and published a book called "Lets all laugh at Sunderland" when we went down! Horses for courses; we're local rivals - you gotta expect some kind of ribbing.

[Gustoon]

C'mon fellas , this isn't Fatma, Mackem1973 seems like a decent poster (for a Mackem ) just trying to talk football.
Lets leave all the personal stuff alone please.

[TaffOnTyne]

Agreed, think we need to rise above some inevitable baiting (we would do the same if the roles were reveresed). Problem is Gus is that several have joined this forum in past few months only to change their clothes suddenly. I think also even FATMA could be engaged in debate from time to time, think he got lonely (he spoilt himself sometimes though it would appear).