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Mackem here (In a spirit of hostility and aggression!)

Postby Mackem1973 »

First of all :lol:

Second of all; down to serious business. Where do you lot go from here? I think you have 2 options. One is to look at the names you have in your squad and consider the fact they really ought to win promotion next season; so keep them together as much as possible and hope to come back up. The obvious con here is if you dont go up - then financially you could do a Leeds, Southampton, Charlton, N.Forest, Sheff Wed et al. Whilst this option could work - it could mean League 1 football in a matter of years if you dont bounce back first time. On your current wage budget you may be able to afford 1 year of CCC football; but 2 years? 3 years? No chance.

Your second option is to follow the Sunderland model of bouncing back - have a fire sale for all your players; and whoevers left over stick them in with seaoned CCC campaigners, lower league talent and young lads - operating on a sustainable vastly reduced budget (still larger than peer clubs because of your higher crowds) and, after stabilising the club, winning promotion. In the long run, if you stabilise in the CCC; you will bounce back. But it might be a 2, 3, 4 or even 5 year project. On such a reduced budget you could sustain CCC football for that amount of time if required.

Do your fans have the intelligence or the patience for the latter? :?

First of all you need a manager. One with proven experience; no room for sentimental "messiahs" (Keegan and Shearer didnt do much good) you need a proven manager at both CCC and Premier League level - someone like Coppell, Cotterrill or Boothroyd. Ironically Dennis Wise ticks more boxes than Shearer after he turned financially stricken Leeds United around a couple of years ago.

You really need someone who knows the lower leagues, knows how to operate on a reduced, uncertain wage / transfer budget and someone who knows how to put together a good side outside the Prem.

All this talk of "messiahs" and wanting people who "understand" your club is deeply flawed - successive chairman have listened to the whims of your myopic supporters and followed policies to keep them happy short term. The signing of Michael Owen is a perfect case in point. It hasn't worked.

Of course I have black and white friends and I respect NUFC as an institution and most of my friends are intelligent people - but as an overall group you have got to be the stupidest, most short sighted supporters in the country. I'm sorry - but everytime I switch Sky on to hear one of your lot interviewed, whenever I see these demonstrations outside St James', whenever I see mis-spelled banners and see a group of teenagers telling Sam Allardyce "you dont know what you're doing" I have a little roll of my eyes.

Ashley is under pressure; but the majority of his strategic decisions have been made after pressure from NUFC fans and with the approval of NUFC fans. Sacking Allardyce (looked ridiculous at the time - but was met with widespread approval), appointing Keegan, offering to sell the club and bringing in Shearer. His only decision that provoked criticism was bringing in Kinnear - your most successful manager in the last 2 years!

Therefore I'd like to see your supporters ignored for a couple of years. Bring in a dour, small name manager - who follows the pragmatic Sunderland model of bouncing back. That is selling the players who won't battle in that league and who cost the club money - I'd like to think NUFC would show the door to Viduka, Owen, Collocini, Barton (scum) and Bassong will probably leave anyway. Maybe some others would ask to leave. Then bring in a couple of hungry players on free transfers and make Carroll a first choice forward.

If you can stabilise your finances then even if you fail first time, you will succeed the second, third or fourth time.

By appointing Shearer and doing things for the short term based on sentiment and emotion - you could find yourselves digging yourselves deeper, deeper and deeper.

The season we went down we had Tore Andre Flo, Claudio Reyna, Gavin McCann, Kevin Phillips, Marcus Stewart, Joachim Bjorklund, Mart Poom, Thomas Sorenson, Michael Gray, Julio Arca and Stefan Schwarz. Quality players on top wages; who let us down. A few months later these names were gone and, under a dour Yorkshireman, we had Thirlwell, Oster, Thornton and Arca as our midfield at Bradford City. We won 4-0. I think you could do worse than follow our example in order to get out of that horrible, horrible league! It might not be pretty; but you lot have got to start taking a long term look at things; and making strategic decisions from the head, not the heart.

Anyway :lol:
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Postby Grimbob »

Good post.

And by "good" I mean a complete waste of time.
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Postby alfredpennyworth »

still, it could be worse,that monkeys heed tag of yours will never fade,unless Korea use makemland fer a test site,should do about 25 quids worth of damage,if its a direct hit! :P
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Postby Cannyman »

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His nappy's full again. :wink:
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Postby johnna »

Whilst I disagree with some of the sentiments and remain suspicious of your agenda, there are some really worthy discussion points in there.
If you were to read the posts here, you'd see most fans here are pragmatic, certainly few would argue with your sentence regarding Owen, Viduka, Barton (scum) et al.

Those oafs you see on the telly sit nowhere near me at the match. I don't see them at away games either. In short I feel they are no more representative of me and my views than the views expressed by a 'Sunderland supporter*' at my wife's work being representative of your views.

*He's never been to a game...

As for ignoring the fans, I'm still waiting for my opinion to be taken on the appointment of Smith, Ardiles, Keegan, Dalglish, Gullit, Robson, Sounness, Roeder, Allardyce or Shearer.

NB ITV asked me for my views on Kinnear and I felt he was a pragmatic appointment to steady the ship in the short term, but remained concerned over his health.
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Re: Mackem here (In a spirit of hostility and aggression!)

Postby johnna »

Mackem1973 wrote: you need a proven manager at both CCC and Premier League level - someone like Coppell, Cotterrill or Boothroyd.


Nope, I take it back. You are brainless. Are you familiar with Steve Cotterill's managerial record?
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Re: Mackem here (In a spirit of hostility and aggression!)

Postby Mackem1973 »

johnna wrote:
Mackem1973 wrote: you need a proven manager at both CCC and Premier League level - someone like Coppell, Cotterrill or Boothroyd.


Nope, I take it back. You are brainless. Are you familiar with Steve Cotterill's managerial record?


He took Cheltenham up from the regional leagues to League 1 when they hadnt been near the Conference in their history!

He took over Burnley when they were fighting relegation battles and established them in the Championship as a mid table side.

Has assistant management experience in the Premier League (albeit a failed one)

Is highly intelligent

Passionate, speaks his mind and takes no *****

He is broadly the type of guy you should be seriously looking at. Whats Alan Shearers managerial record? :?
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Postby Mackem1973 »

johnna wrote:Whilst I disagree with some of the sentiments and remain suspicious of your agenda, there are some really worthy discussion points in there.


I have no agenda as such - just want to talk football to my neighbours!; although I confess I would like to see you injected with a dose of humility after all the years I had to endure being a Sunderland fan at Northumbria University during our 19 point season :wink:

*He's never been to a game...


Crikey hope that wasn't aimed at me!

Been to many games home and away in the top 2 Divisions of English football! Gigg Lane to Old Trafford! Man and boy! :)

As for ignoring the fans, I'm still waiting for my opinion to be taken on the appointment of Smith, Ardiles, Keegan, Dalglish, Gullit, Robson, Sounness, Roeder, Allardyce or Shearer.


You simply cannot deny that every decision taken a disproportionate amount of thought goes into "how will the fans react?" It pervades into transfer decisions, what is said in the media and managerial comings and goings.

Allardyce should not have been sacked
Keegan should not have been brought in
Shearer should not have been brought in; and has done nothing to warrant a permant contract

The reaction of the fans; as an en masse group drives decisions at board level - this has got to stop; because it was the fans who drove the above 3 decisions.
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Postby Cannyman »

Mackem1973 wrote:
johnna wrote:
Mackem1973 wrote: you need a proven manager at both CCC and Premier League level - someone like Coppell, Cotterrill or Boothroyd.


Nope, I take it back. You are brainless. Are you familiar with Steve Cotterill's managerial record?


He took Cheltenham up from the regional leagues to League 1 when they hadnt been near the Conference in their history!

He took over Burnley when they were fighting relegation battles and established them in the Championship as a mid table side.

Has assistant management experience in the Premier League (albeit a failed one)

Is highly intelligent

Passionate, speaks his mind and takes no *****

He is broadly the type of guy you should be seriously looking at. Whats Alan Shearers managerial record? :?


Much as I hate to admit it - he is right.
He is the type of guy we need. We have lived on hope and sentimentality for way too long.
We need to be looking at the quality of management and players rather than their affinity to us.
If we dont we will live and die the eternal optimists winning zero.
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Postby johnna »

Mackem1973 wrote: ...after all the years I had to endure being a Sunderland fan at Northumbria University during our 19 point season :wink:



Hope you kept it clean with your mop and brush.

Although I'm sure your presence turned it into the Central University of Newcastle upon Tyne.
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Postby Mackem1973 »

johnna wrote:
Mackem1973 wrote: ...after all the years I had to endure being a Sunderland fan at Northumbria University during our 19 point season :wink:



Hope you kept it clean with your mop and brush.

Although I'm sure your presence turned it into the Central University of Newcastle upon Tyne.


Very clever, you should be proud!
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Postby johnna »

Mackem1973 wrote:
johnna wrote:
Mackem1973 wrote: ...after all the years I had to endure being a Sunderland fan at Northumbria University during our 19 point season :wink:



Hope you kept it clean with your mop and brush.

Although I'm sure your presence turned it into the Central University of Newcastle upon Tyne.


Very clever, you should be proud!


Not as proud as you should be exposing your chip on your shoulder so readily.
Or as proud as you are over brainless statements. "all the years... ...during our 19 point season". How many seasons encompass more than two years?

Durrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
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Postby lordofLight »

You make some good points mackem.This club has made a lot of bad decisions and proof of this will be clear on 8th of august.I for one hated the idea of keegan because i feel he has lost it and he always quits.I said this on here mackem,and almost everyone tore into me,calling me evername under the sun.i also screamed No,when there were shouts for shearer because my thoughts were that it was a miserable gamble.However by the time we had chirs houghton driving us to division 1,i didnt mind shearer coming in to replace that useless manager to be honest.

I hope we bounce back up.But am not sure if we can put a team together that will achieve that really
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Postby Mackem1973 »

johnna wrote:
Mackem1973 wrote:
johnna wrote:
Mackem1973 wrote: ...after all the years I had to endure being a Sunderland fan at Northumbria University during our 19 point season :wink:



Hope you kept it clean with your mop and brush.

Although I'm sure your presence turned it into the Central University of Newcastle upon Tyne.


Very clever, you should be proud!


Not as proud as you should be exposing your chip on your shoulder so readily.
Or as proud as you are over brainless statements. "all the years... ...during our 19 point season". How many seasons encompass more than two years?

Durrrrrrrrrrrrrr!


I havent got a chip! I like Newcastle; I have lived there! But I will have a laugh about footy - that why its there!

I am trying to be polite, light hearted and articulate myself the best way possible.

All the years at Northumbria University including the 19 point season. Better? I suspect you knew what I meant! :wink:

I could also mention the pain of 1993 when I went to a mixed SAFC/NUFC school which quickly became 80-20 NUFC and the stick I got at the time!

We're having a bit of payback now; but its horses for courses; bit of craic.

In my opening post I devoted 2 smileys to having a bit of a laugh and the rest of my post was very much on topic trying to calmly have a bit of a footy discussion with you as if we were at a pub!
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Postby wardyjanker »

johnna wrote:
Mackem1973 wrote:
johnna wrote:
Mackem1973 wrote: ...after all the years I had to endure being a Sunderland fan at Northumbria University during our 19 point season :wink:



Hope you kept it clean with your mop and brush.

Although I'm sure your presence turned it into the Central University of Newcastle upon Tyne.


Very clever, you should be proud!


Not as proud as you should be exposing your chip on your shoulder so readily.
Or as proud as you are over brainless statements. "all the years... ...during our 19 point season". How many seasons encompass more than two years?

Durrrrrrrrrrrrrr!


Personally I think this Sunderland fan is talking a lot of sense.
Someone at the helm who is prepared to make his own decisions and not those of the fans is the first thing required.
All of the *galacticos* have to go, the Championship is no place for prima donnas.
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